So we pray it backfires on abc and the Harris campaign. God is truth. I pray the American people see through this and wake up to the lies and astroturfing. You win this war through prayer. God can do amazing things. Don’t lose heart! They want a complacent, despondent populace. Don’t give in.
As frustrated as I am with this debate. I want Trump to calm down and regroup. America knows the truth most Americans we see so many people that are aware of her lies. I still believe and agree with you. I will not lose hope. There is a reason that he was spared death at the time of that assassination attempt. And I believe that he is going to win. I am convinced her statements related to supporting Israel will backfire on her, and I am praying that she will lose the Muslim vote.
I love your vibes and wish I had some of them. Trump blew it. I guess I had unrealistic expectations he would do to Harris what he did to Biden. Too many missed opportunities. I can not believe he took the cheap bait on crowd size. I got to believe his hired "Consultative Consultation Consultants" warned him about this. I hope JD Vance gets under Walz skin and Walz loses it and tries to take a swing at JD Vance. Then we will have real debate.
Thank you Mathew, I’m sure you’ve got good vibes but last night could drain them from anyone. Trump did not perform as well as we wanted but in fairness to him he was ambushed by 3 people. Expectations for Kamala were low and she met them with the help of the moderators. Once it was done, many people saw the truth of Kamala and who she was. Her facial antics did not go over well with the undecided. She has lost votes but Trump needs to be very disciplined (which could be tough) to clearly and succinctly point out the facts and failures of Kamala’s administration. She will not get the bump the dem machine is expecting. Hang in there and don’t lose hope. 😊
Prior to running for national office, Obama, as a state senator or legislator, voted to make legal, in Illinois, pretty much what Northam was talking about, believe it related to babies that survived late term abortions. Anyone else remember this?
Sure do! I lived in IL then. I talked with a very close friend (we're both Catholic) and was absolutely stunned to hear her agree. I don't know if she was being reactionary or if she really believed what she was saying---"well, who's going to take care of the baby if it was born from a botched abortion?" To this day, I can't believe she said it!
The law was to protect women from being held responsible for "perinatal deaths" (fetal death starting at gestation of 20 weeks and ending at infant death up to 28 days of age) "due to causes that occurred IN UTERO." Believe it or not, not all babies are born healthy. This law protects women who have a critically ill baby for any reason, even if the woman may have done something inadvisable during pregnancy e g. Be a drug addict.. it DOES NOT allow abortions after birth!
The phrase “abortion under the guise of protecting the mother” comes to mind.
Are you saying that prior to passing this law, if I were a middle aged woman having a “change of life” baby, that I would / could be prosecuted when the baby wasn’t deemed to be sufficiently perfect - if I were addicted to the wrong kind of drug (even if the addiction was Big Pharma’s fault, not mine). Does this also include a little too much alcohol, or maybe a poor vegetarian diet, or over exercising?
What did they do with the newborns while the new moms were on trial and in jail? Glad I don’t live anywhere near California. So many rules, so little sense. Qui bono?
Exactly. Those are things that some people ( especially right wingers) would want to prosecute women for. That's what the law prevents. I don't know how common it was for people to want to prosecute mothers, but CA apparently felt they needed this law.
Yeah, if a baby isn't healthy, doctors who fail to treat it shouldn't be hold responsible. And they're the ones who can diagnose "it was due to problems in utero".
How on Earth does it protect women and from what? Can we be done with this "it's to protect women" sanctimonious bs?
This has nothing to do with the doctors who are treating the baby if it was born alive. It prevents the state from prosecuting the mother (say a drug addict) because they assume her Drug use (or some other thing she did during pregnancy) caused the baby to be born with dire health issues.
Too many fantasies. Why would anyone "assume" drug use? No, the language is to ban investigations of a suspicious baby's death, which would definitely include both parents and doctors.
A drug dealer/criminal user is investigated and prosecuted for drugs, and if it includes a baby dying (whether in utero or alive) it's extra charges. That's the law, you committed a crime and somebody died, it counts, no proof needed of the direct cause. You can't prosecute pregnancy related issues if there is nothing criminal involved. Are you aware that illegal drugs are actually criminal, especially, if babies are dying? But sure, California is a crime friendly state...
Notwithstanding any other law, a person shall not be subject to civil or criminal liability or penalty, or otherwise deprived of their rights under this article, based on their actions or omissions with respect to their pregnancy or actual, potential, or alleged pregnancy outcome, including miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or perinatal death due to causes that occurred in utero”
Have you ever read Northam's complete statement? Northam was giving a hypothetical example of what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, went into labor: "There may be a fetus that’s nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
He is discussing what to do when a family is facing bereavement because a baby is non-viable. These days doctors consult with families to find out their wishes and some want to hold their baby before it dies so the baby might be briefly resuscitated to give the family a chance to hold it while alive.
Is anyone surprised? I'm watching in bits n pieces, but seems Harris' 'strong points' are all based on Establishment policies! Again, as a former D, I see they SAY one thing but DO (or rather DONT do!) another. Harris relies on 'style points' only...she's a hot mess.
I agree that the moderators are definitely providing her cover. Also, she has long hair and on that right side. I wouldn’t be surprised if she has something in her ear. There is no way this woman can talk so many facts and spew as much she is spewing without having had the questions ahead of time.
That exact comment was made by my firefighter friends and I while we watched at work last night. Always Been Crooked (ABC) is a sham of a news outlet. They probably provided Harris with the audio equipment for an earpiece.
Spoiler alert, overwhelmingly, most firefighters and police officers HATE Harris and most of the rest of the DC criminals. Only the sheep of the FF’s union, the IAFF, like her. Ed Kelly is the IAFF president and he is a crooked Boston union creep and he bows down to the democrat machine.
As always, buy more ammo and keep your powder dry.
I am in France and the PTB knocked me off watching the debate 20 minutes ago. For real! Now I don’t give a flying fuck. The entire debate is rigged. Do you folks not see this bullshit?
The debate is a disgrace. Harris has been allowed to evade questions, no follow-up, and to spew nonsense. They are treating Trump much differently, pushing for answers and “fact-checking”. That said, I don’t think this debate will do much to change anyone’s mind in either direction.
Ms Harris brought up more than her share of debunked talking points. Charlottesville, “bloodbath”, police officers killed on J6, etc, etc. Guess the same old bs never gets old for the smugly superior crowd.
Old is not bad; it means seasoned & discerning. We old people have seen & experienced a lot & know fake when we encounter it. We know Marxism & Communism when we see it. We know that for 4 years our nation has been lied to about Biden’s dementia while Kamala covered it up.
That both of them opened our borders to thugs, military age men from militant cultures & 3rd world cultures. We know untold 1000’s of children are unaccounted for (trafficked) & this administration allowed that.
They have mandated experimental injections upon untold millions who now are reaping the whirlwind of vax injuries.
We know inflation is higher than ever in my many years of living. We can barely buy gas.
Small businesses closed bc of their policies.
America is weaker than we’ve ever been globally. We’re on the brink of WWIII bc of this inept administration.
Our peoples’ House has been desecrated with cross-dressers, females (or female impersonators) flaunting the nude breasts, & worse on the WH lawn.
We’ve seen our school children introduced to sexual topics inappropriately in our schools. We’re seeing our youngsters being groomed into questioning their bodies & guided into experimental hormone treatments which sterilize them. Being guided into mutilation of their healthy body parts at the altar of trans.
We’ve seen a lot. Sodom & Gomorrah have nothing over us.
We’ve seen an administration which has politicized our once esteemed FBI, DOJ, court system. Same administration put the screws on social media to censor dissenting voices. Voices that said that cv19 came from a lab leak in China. It did. Voices that said mRNA Spike Protein would spread into all areas of the body cancers, autoimmune disorders, heart & lung issues, etc. even death. It has.
We have less liberty than I recall in my lifetime. We teeter on totalitarianism bc of BidenHARRIS & whoever controls them.
"Debunked conspiracy." Was that the FB label the FBI told you ? That's just the thing. What is a 'City Manager' supposed to say? I don't know about this eating pets charge, but hungry people do what hungry people do, even on 'Naked and Afraid.' But I couldn't help think of Zuckerberg's admitted government manipulation (and he was far from the only one, all the way to YELP was censoring, too) such as suppressing the whole laptop thing and ANY legitimate questions about COVID as same (when they were real).
I agree Sasha. This is biased. I certainly didn’t expect Trump to wilt. And wilting he is not. He is a warrior on the battlefield right now and I for one, appreciate he is holding his own. The gloves came off when she brought up his legal convictions.
ABC is setting traps and Trump is walking straight into them. That said, she is far more prepared. Trump should be looking at her, asking direct questions, pinning her down instead of letting her off the hook. And he's got to stop raising his voice. He's losing his cool.
So we pray it backfires on abc and the Harris campaign. God is truth. I pray the American people see through this and wake up to the lies and astroturfing. You win this war through prayer. God can do amazing things. Don’t lose heart! They want a complacent, despondent populace. Don’t give in.
Fight, fight, fight.
As frustrated as I am with this debate. I want Trump to calm down and regroup. America knows the truth most Americans we see so many people that are aware of her lies. I still believe and agree with you. I will not lose hope. There is a reason that he was spared death at the time of that assassination attempt. And I believe that he is going to win. I am convinced her statements related to supporting Israel will backfire on her, and I am praying that she will lose the Muslim vote.
I love your vibes and wish I had some of them. Trump blew it. I guess I had unrealistic expectations he would do to Harris what he did to Biden. Too many missed opportunities. I can not believe he took the cheap bait on crowd size. I got to believe his hired "Consultative Consultation Consultants" warned him about this. I hope JD Vance gets under Walz skin and Walz loses it and tries to take a swing at JD Vance. Then we will have real debate.
Thank you Mathew, I’m sure you’ve got good vibes but last night could drain them from anyone. Trump did not perform as well as we wanted but in fairness to him he was ambushed by 3 people. Expectations for Kamala were low and she met them with the help of the moderators. Once it was done, many people saw the truth of Kamala and who she was. Her facial antics did not go over well with the undecided. She has lost votes but Trump needs to be very disciplined (which could be tough) to clearly and succinctly point out the facts and failures of Kamala’s administration. She will not get the bump the dem machine is expecting. Hang in there and don’t lose hope. 😊
“The infant would be delivered, kept comfortable, & resuscitated *if* that’s what the mother & family desired.”
Virginia Gov Ralph Northam
That’s infanticide. Trump was right.
Prior to running for national office, Obama, as a state senator or legislator, voted to make legal, in Illinois, pretty much what Northam was talking about, believe it related to babies that survived late term abortions. Anyone else remember this?
Sure do! I lived in IL then. I talked with a very close friend (we're both Catholic) and was absolutely stunned to hear her agree. I don't know if she was being reactionary or if she really believed what she was saying---"well, who's going to take care of the baby if it was born from a botched abortion?" To this day, I can't believe she said it!
There are thousands of people praying for a baby. That kid would have a better chance with strangers than the birth mother.
That is nothing if not ghoulish.
Actually it’s pure evil straight from hell.
In 2022 California passed a bill making it de facto legal (i.e. not prosecutable) to have an "abortion" within 28 days after a baby was born.
The law was to protect women from being held responsible for "perinatal deaths" (fetal death starting at gestation of 20 weeks and ending at infant death up to 28 days of age) "due to causes that occurred IN UTERO." Believe it or not, not all babies are born healthy. This law protects women who have a critically ill baby for any reason, even if the woman may have done something inadvisable during pregnancy e g. Be a drug addict.. it DOES NOT allow abortions after birth!
The phrase “abortion under the guise of protecting the mother” comes to mind.
Are you saying that prior to passing this law, if I were a middle aged woman having a “change of life” baby, that I would / could be prosecuted when the baby wasn’t deemed to be sufficiently perfect - if I were addicted to the wrong kind of drug (even if the addiction was Big Pharma’s fault, not mine). Does this also include a little too much alcohol, or maybe a poor vegetarian diet, or over exercising?
What did they do with the newborns while the new moms were on trial and in jail? Glad I don’t live anywhere near California. So many rules, so little sense. Qui bono?
Exactly. Those are things that some people ( especially right wingers) would want to prosecute women for. That's what the law prevents. I don't know how common it was for people to want to prosecute mothers, but CA apparently felt they needed this law.
Yeah, if a baby isn't healthy, doctors who fail to treat it shouldn't be hold responsible. And they're the ones who can diagnose "it was due to problems in utero".
How on Earth does it protect women and from what? Can we be done with this "it's to protect women" sanctimonious bs?
This has nothing to do with the doctors who are treating the baby if it was born alive. It prevents the state from prosecuting the mother (say a drug addict) because they assume her Drug use (or some other thing she did during pregnancy) caused the baby to be born with dire health issues.
Too many fantasies. Why would anyone "assume" drug use? No, the language is to ban investigations of a suspicious baby's death, which would definitely include both parents and doctors.
A drug dealer/criminal user is investigated and prosecuted for drugs, and if it includes a baby dying (whether in utero or alive) it's extra charges. That's the law, you committed a crime and somebody died, it counts, no proof needed of the direct cause. You can't prosecute pregnancy related issues if there is nothing criminal involved. Are you aware that illegal drugs are actually criminal, especially, if babies are dying? But sure, California is a crime friendly state...
Drug/alcohol use during pregnancy is common. Babies are often taken into state custody if the mother is an addict. I don't know if the drug dealer can be prosecuted, but under this law, the mother cannot even if the baby dies. See https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/california-reproductive-health-bill-does-not-legalize-infanticide-idUSL1N37Z2H5
This us the text of the law:
Notwithstanding any other law, a person shall not be subject to civil or criminal liability or penalty, or otherwise deprived of their rights under this article, based on their actions or omissions with respect to their pregnancy or actual, potential, or alleged pregnancy outcome, including miscarriage, stillbirth, or abortion, or perinatal death due to causes that occurred in utero”
And it was brought up again in the state house the following year.
F the family. Save the kid at that point.
No one has the right to chose murder if a new born because it’s an inconvenient truth.
Next time you get laid, use birth control.
Thank you!!!!!!! I hope some gets in the face of that ABC A-hole with this fact.
Have you ever read Northam's complete statement? Northam was giving a hypothetical example of what could happen if a mother whose fetus had severe deformities, or wasn’t otherwise viable, went into labor: "There may be a fetus that’s nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen. The infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”
He is discussing what to do when a family is facing bereavement because a baby is non-viable. These days doctors consult with families to find out their wishes and some want to hold their baby before it dies so the baby might be briefly resuscitated to give the family a chance to hold it while alive.
It's a tough issue, made needlessly tougher by BS from both 'sides'.
Northam worded his comment very poorly
Painful to watch, shameful. Harris continuing to spew lies about J6. Of course, the Dems won't see it that way. I had to turn it off.
Me too!
I couldn’t watch; I followed 4 texts groups I’m in to keep up.
Shameful. ABC should charge the Harris campaign for the hour plus of advertisement.
From what I’ve read & watched since the debacle any semblance of objectivity was totally absent.
From now on any debate on any platform should entail one moderator chosen by each side (total of two).
Absolutely! Does Kamala lie with impunity 100% of the time or are there some instances where she simply never read the news?!?
David Muir makes no attempt to hide his bias & his co-moderator is barely any better.
You’re right, Sasha. Trump has been ambushed. This is sickening.
Is anyone surprised? I'm watching in bits n pieces, but seems Harris' 'strong points' are all based on Establishment policies! Again, as a former D, I see they SAY one thing but DO (or rather DONT do!) another. Harris relies on 'style points' only...she's a hot mess.
But expected.
I agree that the moderators are definitely providing her cover. Also, she has long hair and on that right side. I wouldn’t be surprised if she has something in her ear. There is no way this woman can talk so many facts and spew as much she is spewing without having had the questions ahead of time.
Absolutely! We’ve never seen her in speeches or interviews speak coherently without that demonic cackle. Ever.
That exact comment was made by my firefighter friends and I while we watched at work last night. Always Been Crooked (ABC) is a sham of a news outlet. They probably provided Harris with the audio equipment for an earpiece.
Spoiler alert, overwhelmingly, most firefighters and police officers HATE Harris and most of the rest of the DC criminals. Only the sheep of the FF’s union, the IAFF, like her. Ed Kelly is the IAFF president and he is a crooked Boston union creep and he bows down to the democrat machine.
As always, buy more ammo and keep your powder dry.
I was unaware that the debate rules include a provision that allows Harris to be accompanied by emotional support moderators.
😆👌🏼💥 Good one, Mr. Delgado! Gave me a chuckle ☺️
Thank you. I thought they performed admirably well in that capacity. I’m sure their trainers must be gratified with the results of their hard work.
It’s a wonder she didn’t have her support dog. Oh wait…
I am in France and the PTB knocked me off watching the debate 20 minutes ago. For real! Now I don’t give a flying fuck. The entire debate is rigged. Do you folks not see this bullshit?
Yes, we see the bullshit.
Yes, we see the bias against President Trump.
Yes, we see the Harris is being coddled.
Yes, we see the MSM being as crooked as ever.
Yes, we see that America is in trouble.
Yes definitely see the bullshit
The debate is a disgrace. Harris has been allowed to evade questions, no follow-up, and to spew nonsense. They are treating Trump much differently, pushing for answers and “fact-checking”. That said, I don’t think this debate will do much to change anyone’s mind in either direction.
I hope you’re correct! But I fear low information voters are easily led off the cliff
Ms Harris brought up more than her share of debunked talking points. Charlottesville, “bloodbath”, police officers killed on J6, etc, etc. Guess the same old bs never gets old for the smugly superior crowd.
Old is not bad; it means seasoned & discerning. We old people have seen & experienced a lot & know fake when we encounter it. We know Marxism & Communism when we see it. We know that for 4 years our nation has been lied to about Biden’s dementia while Kamala covered it up.
That both of them opened our borders to thugs, military age men from militant cultures & 3rd world cultures. We know untold 1000’s of children are unaccounted for (trafficked) & this administration allowed that.
They have mandated experimental injections upon untold millions who now are reaping the whirlwind of vax injuries.
We know inflation is higher than ever in my many years of living. We can barely buy gas.
Small businesses closed bc of their policies.
America is weaker than we’ve ever been globally. We’re on the brink of WWIII bc of this inept administration.
Our peoples’ House has been desecrated with cross-dressers, females (or female impersonators) flaunting the nude breasts, & worse on the WH lawn.
We’ve seen our school children introduced to sexual topics inappropriately in our schools. We’re seeing our youngsters being groomed into questioning their bodies & guided into experimental hormone treatments which sterilize them. Being guided into mutilation of their healthy body parts at the altar of trans.
We’ve seen a lot. Sodom & Gomorrah have nothing over us.
We’ve seen an administration which has politicized our once esteemed FBI, DOJ, court system. Same administration put the screws on social media to censor dissenting voices. Voices that said that cv19 came from a lab leak in China. It did. Voices that said mRNA Spike Protein would spread into all areas of the body cancers, autoimmune disorders, heart & lung issues, etc. even death. It has.
We have less liberty than I recall in my lifetime. We teeter on totalitarianism bc of BidenHARRIS & whoever controls them.
I could continue but my old finger is tired.
Well said👏👏so many disasters by Biden-Harris it’s hard to keep track of all of them. Easier to ask what have they done right—nothing.
"Debunked conspiracy." Was that the FB label the FBI told you ? That's just the thing. What is a 'City Manager' supposed to say? I don't know about this eating pets charge, but hungry people do what hungry people do, even on 'Naked and Afraid.' But I couldn't help think of Zuckerberg's admitted government manipulation (and he was far from the only one, all the way to YELP was censoring, too) such as suppressing the whole laptop thing and ANY legitimate questions about COVID as same (when they were real).
Leslie, don't faint or anything, but I'm afraid that I agree with you.
Do you ever wonder why Leslie is on this site? It’s not like she ever agrees with Sasha even 10% of the time-so why is she here?
I agree Sasha. This is biased. I certainly didn’t expect Trump to wilt. And wilting he is not. He is a warrior on the battlefield right now and I for one, appreciate he is holding his own. The gloves came off when she brought up his legal convictions.
Incredible how obvious the bias is
Unfortunately, I think he’s allowed her to get under his skin.
His Achilles heel, for sure.
A human can take only so much. He’s been under assault for EIGHT years!
In good faith he participates in a debate vs. his opponent but ends up 3 against one.
It seems he did well considering the landscape.
Obvious here in Australia what is going on, shameful.
Here in the PC time zone. This is disgraceful. ABC should be ashamed. Just a mud slinging match. No substance. No policy questions so far…..
We all knew it was going to be ugly.
ABC is setting traps and Trump is walking straight into them. That said, she is far more prepared. Trump should be looking at her, asking direct questions, pinning her down instead of letting her off the hook. And he's got to stop raising his voice. He's losing his cool.
Her lies have no limits. She has no shame. So painful to watch.
What’s scary is that she can lie so shamelessly without any sign of remorse. If she’s doing this now, what will she do if she is president.
Exactly.
Everyone with half a brain knew that’s would happen. In no MSM world would Trump be allowed to have the remotest chance.