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Did Tucker study the Crusades? Doesn’t realize that it is the Islamists who are the enemies of Christians? Does Tucker know how many Jews there used to be in Baghdad? Doesn’t he know that there are zero now? Does he know what fundamental Islamism did to the Christians in Lebanon???

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That doesn't seem to be covered here but I was kind of curious about that too. I know nothing so I didn't add to the convo.

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Brigitte Gabriel has written about the persecution of Lebanese Christians by Islamists.

The 1982 massacre of Palestinians by Lebanese right wingers, with IDF complicity, was also relatively well covered. Reagan reportedly made a stern phone call to Menahem Begin demanding that IDF stand down in Lebanon.

Thus wrongdoing by Islamists is real. My problem is that IDF atrocities were not well covered before the current genocidal war. The three separate deadly strikes on World Central Kitchen aid workers shocked the public, but American MSM are still deeply biased. CNN reporting has to pass IDF censorship, for example.

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I love the re-brand of the Christians of historically not being colonizers. Of the three religions, only Jews were never colonizers nor converters: Islam and Christianity both have disgusting histories but in modern times it is the Muslims doing the slaughtering of people and destruction of historical and holy non-Muslim sites. It’s indisputable and it’s shocking what Tucker chooses not to say to the uneducated listening in. Nauseating.

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"Of the three religions, only Jews were never colonizers nor converters"

Tell That To The Canaanites.

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When you find them let me know

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"Apparently, you never read the Old Testament."

Lillia Gajewski

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Perhaps if we all did, we would learn:

All history is God’s history.

He sets up kings and he removes kings.

When people forsakeHhis Law, they are destroyed.

He will raise up pagan nations to be a sword to punish and judge His people. Before Christ came, His people were the nation of Israel, and those who trusted in faith in the coming of the Messiah. Now that Christ has come His people are those who have accepted the blood of Christ as payment for their sins and are called by his name - Christian.

The things we see going on in the world today are nothing more that God‘s judgment on a pagan world using modern tools.

The major players, whose names keep getting tossed around, have been raised up by God to be His sword to judge this world.

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Judge The World? Not Yet.

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And tell that to the Palestinians.

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I think the Palestinians might object to the statement that "Of the three religions, only Jews were never colonizers..."

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EVERY Group of people are colonizers. We our ace/tribe/whatever come from somewhere else.

Now being a Believer (A Christian) I believe God gave them That land. Thee was a contract made, and as far as I can see that contact is still in effect.

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Apparently, you never read the Old Testament.

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Clever response. Does it tell you anything that you had to go back 5000 years to find a rebuttal?

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Well, considering that we have to go back thousands of years to give Jews any claim to the land at all and that they use that self-same text as the basis of their religion and society, I think it's quite fair. Otherwise, what are you saying about the validity of their position? Besides, I'm quite happy to classify Judaism as "any other religion" and Zionism as a rabid fundamentalist form of Judaism right along with fundamentalist Islam. I think that would make the situation much clearer from an ethical standpoint. Both Zionism and fundamentalist Islam are violent, genocidal bastardizations of otherwise decent religions, and neither are to be supported in any way by decent societies. If that's the choice you make, I'm quite happy to agree with you.

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Supporting the losing side in a war often results in the losers forfeiting land, and living under a “foreign” government. Most adapt to the new way of life, especially after 75 years and billions in aid. But then, why go on with life when you can spend 75 years building tunnels and plotting “revenge”?

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I asked you a question. Before the Oslo accords, who controlled the land that you claim the Christians are leaving from in droves?

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Having a claim to fish in the land isn't the same as a claim to the land. See my response to Steve.

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Jews most definitely were converters. For evidence of that, see the writings of Cicero, Horace, Juvenal, Seneca, Tacitus, Josephus, Epictetus, Dio Cassius, and the New Testament (ex., Matthew 23:15). More evidence of Jewish proselytism are the existence of the Ethiopian Jews, the conversion of the Khazar kingdom, the forced conversions of the Idumeans conquered by the Jewish Maccabean Kings and of slaves owned by Jews, and rabbinical writings that indicate Marcus Aurelius and Nero were converts to Judaism. Other prominent converts include: Poppaea, the second wife of Nero; Aquila of Pontus; Consul Flavius Clemens, nephew of Roman Emperor Vespasian and his wife, Domitilla, the cousin of Titus; King Monobaz of Abiabene, his wife, Helena; and King Dhu Nuwas of Yemen. In the Roman Empire, proselytism was such a huge phenomenon, that Septimius Severus issued an edict forbidding conversion of Gentiles to Judaism.

According to the Talmud, Nero himself converted to post-Temple Judaism. Gittin 56a reads: "He [God] sent against them [Israel] Nero the Caesar. As Nero was coming he shot an arrow towards the east, and it fell in Jerusalem. He then shot one towards the west, and it again fell in Jerusalem. He shot toward all four points of the compass, and each time it fell in Jerusalem. He said to a certain boy, 'Repeat to me the last verse of Scripture that you have learned.' He said, ' I will wreak My vengeance on Edom through My people Israel.' Nero said, 'The Kadosh Barukh Hu [the Holy One] desires to lay waste His Temple and to lay the blame on me. So he ran away and converted to Judaism, and Rabbi Meir was descended from him.'"

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I don't know where you're picking and choosing your info but it's AGAINST Jewish LAW to talk someone into becoming a Jew, and you speak of ""forcing" someone to become a Jew! -how ridiculous. A Jew who is as you claim "forced" will NOT be considered a Jew! That is the Jewish LAW. The basis of conversion to Judaism includes DISSUADING potential converts from becoming Jews . It's a long and tedious process. Whatever you are reading/interpreting it's clearly the OPPOSITE of the Jewish LAW of becoming a Jew. That is -the Authentic Orthodox Jewish laws of conversion.

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The word "were" is past tense. Judaism *was* a proselytizing religion, and forced conversions *did* happen in the post-Temple era.

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It seems that Britannica doesn't even offer the alternative opinion about "forced" conversions to Judaism by the Maccabees so I am not surprised there is misinformation out there. They are less reliable than Wikepidia to my surprise.

-----Here is the opinion that explains the discrepancies regarding that Edomites were converted by force to Judaism. (partially copied, there is more at link)

'Around 107 BCE the Hasmonean ruler of Judea, John Hyrcanus I, conquered Idumea, and, at least according to Josephus (Antiquities 13.257), forcibly converted the inhabitants to Judaism. According to Josephus, they were given the choice of either being circumcised and adopting the rest of “the laws of the Jews”, or of being expelled. Strabo (Geographica 16.2.34) mentions the Idumeans as people who were originally “Nabataeans, but owing to a sedition they were banished from there, joined the Judeans, and shared in the same customs with them”, with no mention of coercion.139 While the archaeological evidence from Mareshah does point to a major decline near the end of the second century,140 scholars have long been divided on how literally to take Josephus’ claim of forced conversion. To summarize the arguments against such forced conversion: a. the Hasmoneans did not seem to employ such a policy elsewhere;141 b. such forced conversion would have been without precedent in either the Ancient Near East or in the Hellenistic world; c. such forced conversion would have been foreign to Judaism as well; d. since, as we have seen, there is evidence that the Idumeans were circumcised in any case, Josephus’ claim seems not to reflect historical reality; e. the retention of at least parts of Idumea within the truncated Jewish realm by Pompey and Gabinius only a generation later, while all other predominantly non-Jewish areas, including Samaria, were detached from it, is proof of the Idumeans’ rapid integration into the Jewish nation—which would not have happened had they been coerced. In fact, during the Jewish revolt of 66–73 CE, we find “Idumeans” fighting together with other Jews (War 4.279–331).142 " https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/11/10/487

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So you are picking and choosing it seems. I found this info on Wikipedia and I assume it is what you are talking about.

However, you neglected to say that there are scholars of equal importance who do not agree that "forced" conversions happened.

Additionally even with those who believe it happened state that this was UNPRECEDENTED never happened before! implying it was NOT something that was acceptable or done, thus there is room for doubt.

---Leaving half the info out is NOT credible: "Hyrcanus also initiated a military campaign against the Idumeans (Edomites). During this campaign Hyrcanus conquered Adora, Maresha and other Idumean towns (Ant.13.257). Hyrcanus then instituted forced conversions on the Idumeans to Judaism.[20] This was an unprecedented move for a Judean ruler; it was the first instance of forced conversion perpetrated by Jews in recorded history.[21] However, some scholars dispute the narrative of forced conversion and believe that the Edomites peacefully assimilated in Judean society.[22]"

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He’s a horrible disappointment.

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Agreed..it's all BS..Muslims desecrated a church in Bethlehem during the 2nd intifada..left feces and burned bibles..destroyed pulpit. The Christians left in Gaza are Hamas supporters and tbe harbored terrorists. If you hang with thugs you take tbe heat. Has Tucker totally lost his mind along with Candace Owens?

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Candace Owens knows exactly what she’s doing. She’s a con, not an ideologue. Desperate for attention.

As per Tucker, he’s dug his heels into something he knows nothing about and seems incapable of snapping out of it. He’s been on some sort of Christian Crusade, now directed at the only country in the entirety of the Middle East that not only supports Christians, but welcomes and protects them. He was always very pro-Israel. This seems to have started when he became tight with Kanye, Candace and Greenwald. Perhaps he’s unaware that Kanye’s child was baptized in “ anti-Christian” Israel and that Candace was giddy with glee having been invited to the Israeli Embassy opening in Jerusalem, the blessing given by Pastor Robert Jefress!

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"[T]he only country in the entirety of the Middle East that not only supports Christians, but welcomes and protects them"? Tell that to the Armenians. Tell that to the Iraqi Christians who were quite literally decimated because Bush, "for some reason," decided to attack Israel's enemy rather than Saudi Arabia, the actual home of almost all of the hijackers (see starting on page 30 of Walt and Mearsheimer's "The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy ": https://fisheaters.com/TheIsraelLobbyandUSForeignPolicy.pdf ). What about Israel's law of return that disallows Hebrew converts to Christianity? What about the incessant abuse Christians endure there, like being spat upon? (https://rumble.com/v3ohqkk-israeli-national-security-minister-says-israelis-spitting-on-christians-is-.html)

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“ John Mearsheimer”. ‘Nuff said

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Now there's an argument.

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1. The ultra?Haredi whi spit also spit in Jews. They are radicals and do not represent the Israeli democracy.

2. Israeli needs a?Jewish State precisely because of what we see going on now

We we thrown out of every Arab country, Europe and once felt safe in tbe Diaspora. So why would Jews want to change tve demographics which are only about 9 million in zisrael. ? There is the Vatican..do tbey let Jews live there? Do tbe zirans love the B hair? Do the Greeks love tbe Turks? Why is a country tbe size of New Jersey so problematic. It is hatred pure and dimple. If you hate us do much..destroy you cell phone, check your meds..tbey may have been invented and made in Israel..tell me one invention that benefited humanity that came out of Gaza? Name one othe than tbe Quassam rocket? We will never go away. Without us Democracy and a free world go..the canary in tbe mine..

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You're freaking yourself out, and projecting. I don't have a problem with Jews having a Jewish state. I also don't mind Muslims having Muslim states. And Christians have a right to have states that reflect what Christians value. But none of the above have the right to deprive others of their states. Among those who have a right to shape a state that reflects how they want to live are Palestinians, who don't deserve this sort of thing: https://www.scottritterextra.com/p/sympathy-for-the-devil-part-two They don't deserve that any more than innocent civilian Jews deserved to be raped, slaughtered, or taken hostage on October 7. It's always the innocent of ALL people (Christian, Muslim, Jewish) who suffer for the game-playing of those who lead (or claim to lead) them. Israel funded Hamas because they didn't want a two-state solution, so innocent Jews suffer when the blow-back comes (and the IDF at least seemingly stands down for whatever reasons -- perhaps to have an excuse to level Gaza and eradicate anyone living there?). And so it goes.

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So Islamists are the enemies of the Christians, yet Palestinian Christians and Palestinian Muslims have been living side by side.

You know, just once I would love for all of you to stop the excuse making and look at the world as it is. I know it will be painful, but just try to think deeper than "Israel good."

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Islam warred its way across the Middle East from its very beginning. It spread by the sword, through Sicily, Spain, Vienna, all the way up to Tours, France. It's a violent religion that has not been a friend to Christianity (which isn't to stay that there aren't lots of naturally virtuous Muslims). But neither has post-Temple Judaism (a very different religion to the religion of the Old Testament), which is not to say that there aren't lots of naturally virtuous Jewish people. Christians don't have to accept the false dichotomy of thinking "either" practitioners of Islam OR Judaism are friends, or that they have to pick a side when the two are fighting.

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I agree.

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They haven’t been living side by side. Christians have been leaving in droves. Do you think just saying something makes it true or people believe you?

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There aren't "droves" to leave. You are just talking out your behind.

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Bethlehem before Oslo Accords - 80 percent Christian. After Oslo Accords - run by the PA not Israel - 80 percent Muslim. When you’re not blinded by hate, information and statistics aren’t hard to find. Know anything about Lebanon? The Middle East at all? Apparently my behind is more knowledgeable then your mouth. Good night.

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Um, and who had that land before the Oslo Accords? I can't remember any point where Israel gave back land. Besides, from what I can remember, Israel has never let Palestine be its own state. They have always had effective control.

And once again, you're talking out your backside because you have so dehumanized Muslims in your mind that they're less than vermin at this point. So I wouldn't go around accusing other people of hatred if I were you. I'd go find a mirror.

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Wow. Your lack of historical knowledge is staggering; do you graduate from Tiktok University? Quite literally, the palestinian arabs have been offered a state at least four or five times - the last time in 2008 it wouldve given them 98% of the land they wanted. You know why they said no? 1- the leaders have been despots who embezzle the aid money, and if they have their own state and their own economy, there will be more scrutiny and expectations (& not billionaire leaders living in Doha.) 2- They do not want their own state side by side with Israel. They want all of Israel. That's never going to happen. Btw, i have never "dehumanized" muslims. I do dehumanize fundamental islamists -who wish to take freedoms away from people, kill gay people and take away rights from women. Go read some history books and get off tiktok.

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I thought you Canceled you subscription.

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To Tucker, you tool, not Sasha. Reading comprehension, Steve…

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Haha!

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Go to Gaza and check it out. You have literally no idea. I would bet you know not one person within 100 miles of the area.

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And you do? LOL. We're both working off what we see on the very Israel friendly news and through social media. Don't pretend otherwise.

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i have family who were in Israel on 10/7, little you know. I have friends who have been there for months volunteering. The fact that you call the news "israel friendly" is quite revealing of your bias. Stop talking to me.

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So what you're saying is you've not been to Gaza either. Good to know. Also, if this is true, which is a big "if" considering I'm talking to someone who hides behind funky fake name, I'm guess they weren't in Gaza on 10/7 but in Isarel, and they're fully invested in Zionism, so that means your word is worth jack squat.

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I just canceled my subscription.

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To Sasha? Or did you take the Tucker opt-out she repeatedly offered. Doesn't seem reasonable to reject her because she is reporting on something someone else did.

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I had subscribed to Tucker - unsubscribed to HIM not Sasha.

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I stand with Israel’s right to continue to bomb every Catholic Church in Gaza until they feel secure. And use snipers again to finish off any of the Catholic wounded that are left. It’s their fault for taking refuge in church.

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What does what you’re bringing up have anything to do with the treatment of Christians in Israel? Your argument is a deflection and a non sequitur and betrays your bias and inability to think rationally. Sit down.

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Oh puhleeeze! Why doesn’t Tucker bring back the Inquisition? He’s never been to Israel. Why the fuck does he think so many Christians support Israel? Perhaps he should reach out to Pastors Dumasani Washington, Hagee,Jefress,Manning,CUFI ( Christians United For Israel),They have ministries in Israel. Or host Jamil Altimini, Ayaan Hirsi-Al,Walid Phares or better still, the Son Of Hamas, now an Arab Israeli Christian convert who has been in front of the UN, EU, Oxford , Columbia universities, on podcasts hosted by Doug Murray, Glenn Beck, Mark Steyn,Huckabee, Majiid Nawaz, Bari Weiss, Andrew Bet-David, Coleman Hughes, Niall Ferguson,etc. Interviewed on Fox, NewsMax, and most recently, a twenty minute appearance on Dr. Phil that left NO stone unturned.

Or ask Javier Milei!

Nobody asked Biden to get involved. Biden /Obama and his CommunoFascist admin w/ Soros and choice Epstein pals, Traitor Ehud Barak,Chomsky among them.

The Biden regime are behind the events leading up to the Hamas Massacre and since. This was all to overthrow Netanyahu. But the US “never” interferes in other nation’s elections or affairs like legislation, right?

I’ve always been a Tucker enthusiast, but this is bullshit.With his opportunistic malignant narcissist “ anything for attention” fraudulent grifter pal, Candace Owens, the remake of little Rhoda Penrod, The Bad Seed sociopath character.

Trump brought peace. The minute Biden took office, he undid everything and set the world ablaze.

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I couldn’t have said it better myself.

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Despicable! The world has gone mad, but I didn’t foresee Tucker hopping on the crazy train.

Bram my, do you live in Miami? It’s My ami, too. If so, which area? I’m in Coconut Grove.

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Exactly what I’ve been saying from beginning . Oct 7th was Biden with Bibi’s leftist opposition to overthrow the government and get rid of BiBi. Notice the protest are starting again against BiBi. One of the Riot Leaders even admitted he’s working with Biden WH to overthrow BiBi.

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Bingo! The Biden admin and it’s the tacked have been coordinating and funding the protests! Soros, NGOs, Israeli traitors…

Everybody is focused on Jeff Epstein’s perversion, but it was so much more. He was working as a CIA asset and spy for the US with traitors in the Israeli government , tech industry and Intel agencies to overthrow Netanyahu. It has been a decades long attempt, started by the Clinton admin, but amped up big time by Obama. and the Biden admin has taken it to such extremes that Israel may not survive. And should that happen, so goes the West. Europe is barely Europe and it’s nobody’s fault but their own.

Epstein’s posse included Ehud Barak, Les Wexner, Bronfman, Seymour Black, Noam Chomsky, Woody Allen,Guislaine Maxwell and family, Shimon Peres,Bill and Killery, Kirsten Gillibrand, Soros among them. Not sure whether Prince Andrew was involved or entangled in an extortion effort.

Behind the scenes-Robert Mueller, Brennan,Clapper,Kerry,Avril Haines,Blinken,Jake Sullivan,Podesta,Lanny Davis,Huma Abedin, Susan Rice, Sally Yates, Eric Ciarmella, Pientka, Stzrok, Lisa Page,Samantha Powers, Biden, McMaster,Valerie Jarrett,Bruce Orr,Vindman,Zaid +

The Hamas attack caught Netanyahu off guard because the virulent bullshit protests led by Ehud Barak were in full throttle, a ceasefire was ( supposedly) in effect and the Israeli Intel traitors were not apprising Bibi or his administration of the threat. They knew! And so did the fucking Biden coterie.

This cancer cabal, so in lust with power and greed effectively destroyed the miraculous achievement of the Abraham Accords, the near overthrow of the Ayatollah regime by the Iranian people, the Saudis just about to join the Accords, the Palestinians forced to come to the table and peace in the Middle East. These selfish, self loathing sons of bitches betrayed their own people, globally for personal gain and leftist ideology.

I’m not thrilled with Bibi for other reasons. Among them, turning his back on Trump, who did more for Israel and the Jewish people as a whole than anybody since Lord Balfour. The moment Trump was out of office, Bibi began trashing him- kissing Biden’s ass.Even when Biden’s first act in foreign policy was to berate, bully and snub Bibi, pick fights with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Modi, Putin, Bolsinaro,Orban and anybody who either supported Israel openly or quietly… as he reinstated funding for Hamas/Palestine, Iran, UNWRA,UNESCO and removed the Houthis,MB, Hezbollah,Bend The Ark and other hideous entities from the terrorist watch list.

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Amazing, isn’t it? More amazing still is how few people are aware or even remotely curious.

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Extremely well said.

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From David Friedman

“Tucker, my friend, before the Palestinians took over Bethlehem pursuant to the Oslo Accords in the mid-1990’s, Bethlehem was under Israeli control and its population was 80% Christian. It was one of the centers of the Christian world. Since Oslo and the resulting Palestinian rule, Bethlehem became 80% Muslim and Christians are afraid. But they don’t speak out against the Palestinian Authority because you just can’t and survive.”

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It’s sad to see what’s become of Tucker.

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And I thought anyone who cared about America wouldn’t bother talking about Israel bc of the border crisis…but I guess that was 2 weeks ago 🤷‍♂️

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Apparently Israel isn’t allowed to defend its borders either. This priest has the nerve to call for a ceasefire while Hamas promises to kill anyone who isn’t a fundamental Islamist. Tucker has finally lost it. I couldn’t even watch the whole thing - made me nauseated. What does he think Hamas will do to all of the Christian sites if it gets its “from the river to the sea?”

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Isn’t it!?

But one must suspect that there’s likely nothing new-we just didn’t know.

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Tucker exists to provide a voice to dissidents. This he did here. I do not approve of this dissident as my earlier post made clear but he has a right to be heard.

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A tremendous interview, Tucker again lets his guest speak and he is very brave for airing this in the first place. Christians in Gaza are being killed and this is not right at all. Now before I get hammered for being anti-Semetic of which I am not, this crazy senseless war has to stop. and so does American funding just like that in Ukraine. U.S. foreigh policy has done a lot of damage in the world. Christian churches have been destroyed and heavily damaged, yes where are the North American Christians on this? This Congressman from Michigan was actually a pastor, that is unbelivable.. Nine Christians killed in a church, unacceoptable. Yes Hamas is an evil horrid organization, but the Christian people in Gaza are not Hamas. Father Isaac is a very courageous individual, God be with him. Wars solve nothing, my great uncle was killed at 17 in the First World War and for what exactly? For jack squat.

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Agreed. Christians getting murdered in a church is unacceptable. Here is an article you may like.

https://ericmargolis.com/2024/04/the-nasty-little-sparta/

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I listened to the entire interview. I appreciate the opportunity to hear the Pastor’s views. He claims that he does not favor one group over another, but he understandably revealed a bit of bias toward the Gazans. Of course he has personal affection and concern since he lives among them.

His nature, as a follower of Christ is to find the path of peace. However, his comments lacked regard for the deeply complicated political elements involved in the genesis of the present conflict. Israel was brutally attacked and innocent people were savagely murdered. Any free nation, has a moral duty to protect its citizens.

I would want it all to stop if I were in his shoes as well. It is sinful that the people of Gaza are suffering. The sin lies with those who attacked on October 7th.

But what of the Israelis if they lay down their weapons? Who will protect them from another October 7th? Jesus said, do unto others as you wish to be done to you…I’ll continue to stand with Israel as I wish and don’t doubt that they would stand with America.

I stand with Israel

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Anyway, What’s the big deal that Israel kills a few hundred Catholics in Palestine? That’s nothing compared to the tens of thousands of Palestinians they’ve killed. I stand with Israel’s right to kill a million more if necessary for their security.

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October 7th was the seventh time Hamas - which has the support of 80% of the population of Gaza - fired missiles and killed Israeli civilians - since 2006. Every three years since then, Hamas has done its murderous deeds, Israel has reacted - and the "international community" and the UN have brought pressure on Israel for a ceasefire. Every time, except for now, Israel has relented, Hamas has gotten tens of millions of dollars in aid, taken the humanitarian aid for itself and its forces, dug more tunnels under civilian infrastructure, including churches, mosques, schools, and hospitals, so that when Israel tries to put an end to the threat, there's the now usual screaming that Israel is "targeting civilians" when in fact Hamas is using those civilians and their infrastructure as (up until now) very effective shields. This isn't the first act in this play. Israel has a duty to protect its citizens from Hamas, Hamas has used the human shield tactic to thwart those protective actions, and the international community has played the game along with Hamas. It's got to stop, and the only way to stop it is to take Hamas - who have the goal of destroying Israel in their charter - out of power in Gaza. And then we get this nonsense from Tucker who appears to have become a "useful fool" for some very bad people.

Christians in Muslim countries do not fare well, they are forbidden from maintaining their churches, from building new ones, can be arrested and jailed for proselytization - or really saying anything in public. Christians in Israel have it far better than they do in any Muslim country - including Egypt. Hamas are not welcome in any of the surrounding Arab countries, either, they're viewed and quite rightly so as dangerous. They were thrown out of Jordan, the only country they have support from is Qatar, and that support is well paid for, and conditional on good behavior. Tucker is good on some points, very bad on others, but the best propaganda is 85% true - it's the 15% false "payload" you have to look out for. And Tucker has bamboozled a lot of people with his rhetorical skills, he has Lord Haw Haw beat by a country mile.

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Thank you Tucker, this need to be heard

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https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jewish-and-non-jewish-population-of-israel-palestine-1517-present shows the Jewish population from 1914 through 1947 within greater Palestine (current day Israel, Gaza, Golan Heights & the West Bank) ranging from a low of 8.1% of the total population at the end of WWI to a high of 32% of the population immediately after WWII in 1947. Calling Jewish migrants dispossessed from Germany and Eastern Europe after WWII colonizers is as absurd as the Zionist trope "A land without people for a people without land."

That being said, one cannot ignore the mass killings and dispossession of Palestinians during the 1947-1948 Nakba that dramatically impacted the current demographics. What Hamas did on October 7, 2023 to Israelis was inexcusable but that does not justify the massive bombings and humanitarian disaster that the IDF has made of Gaza. If the Nazis had left all of the European Jews to live in massive ghettos like the Warsaw ghetto (instead of trying to exterminate them) and had them live there for 75 years and then a resistance movement among the Jews living in the ghetto managed to launch an attack on the Nazis controlling the boundaries of their ghetto, I doubt most people on this thread would advocate going in to kill them and level the ghettos

Israel will not allow a two state solution if that means Palestinians having a fully functioning and independent state (which includes a military for self-defense) but it cannot allow a single democratic state for all of that territory without dispossessing all of the Palestinians because the demographics mean it will no longer be a Jewish state. So what is the solution? One thing that October 7th did was to get the current Israeli government to start saying the quiet part out loud, which is to clear the Palestinians out of Gaza and the West Bank so that greater Israel can control from the River to the Sea. If that phrase conjures fear of genocide for Israelis when uttered by Palestinians, what is it supposed conjure when Israeli's say it?

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So you talk about what the Arabs call “the nakba” but you fail to mention that the majority of them left at the behest of the Arab nations

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Arab nations invading Israel who told them it would be easier to destroy the Jews if the Arabs left promising them they could return when Israel was eradicated. At the same time, these countries murdered and expelled their Jewish populations of their homes and businesses where they had lived for hundreds of years in Egypt, Yemen, Algeria, Iraq (Baghdad used to be 25 percent Jews.) You fail to mention that. Btw - the Arabs who stayed in Israel - they’re now citizens as are the descendants. There are 2million of them & they are doctors, Knesset members, Supreme Court justices. Also to note, Jews escaping the holocaust (ashki) only make up 30 percent of the Jews in Israel. The majority are middle eastern mizrahi who either have never left Israel or were expelled from these Arab countries. Selective history helps no one.

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You are ignoring the fact that Jews were at most 1/3 of the total population at the time of the founding of the State of Israel, most of whom were recent refugees from Europe precisely because Europe and the US we’re not going to absorb them. The western powers then used the UN to award them more than 50% of the land, to pay their debt to the Jews with Arab land. You can’t deny that Israel is first a Jewish State. If that was not its central purpose it would have absorbed Gaza and the West Bank and granted their citizens full citizenship. They did not and will not because then it will no longer be a Jewish state. So I ask you this, what is Israel’s end game for this war because eradicating Hamas is not going to happen with out killing or exiling nearly the entire population because whatever you think of their tactics, it is a resistance movement, not unlike the Stern Gang of Menachem Begin. Another 75 years of occupation? Two independent states? If it is the latter, why do they keep increasing illegal settlements in the West Bank?

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btw, 70% of the arab citizens of Israel polled recently said they identify more with being citizens of Israel than they do with being palestinian arab. They are afraid of the palestinians in gaza and judea and samaria getting control, taking away freedoms and moving the region back to iran/afganistan territory. They see what's happened to Lebanon and Syria and they don't want it.

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Thats a number before the arab nations kicked out all of their middle eastern jews - who make up the majority of Israel's jews today. Awarded them 50% of the land??? Of the british mandate - Jordan received 77% of the mandate. There are 2 million israeli citizens who are arabs who live mostly peacefully. Those living in Judea and Samaria and Gaza do not want to live peacefully, do not want to have a state living side by side with israel (they wont even recognize Israel), that is why there currently can be no peace. They have been ill-used by the surrounding arab countries, using them to try to fight a proxy war with Israel. it is not up to Israel to find someone who will lead the fundamental islamists to peace - it is up to them. Israel will defend itself. That's their motive: defend their people from genocidal fundamental islamists who give interviews saying they will commit Oct 7 "again and again." Period.

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Btw, I agree with you that Arab nations promised them that if they left, when the Arabs won they would restore them to their land, which they failed miserably at doing. But I think the fact that Zionist militia groups were killing them had something to do with their decision to leave. It is like saying all of the residents of northern Gaza “voluntarily” left because the IDF reduce it all to rubble.

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Excellent discussion between two of our very best public intellectuals, Glenn Greenwald and John Mearsheimer, about Israel/Gaza, Russia/Ukraine. Near the end (18:50 point) Glenn asks Mearsheimer what he thinks of Netanyahu. Really an excellent interview. I recommend watching these last 7 minutes and then go back to the beginning and watch it all. Very informative. These are two of my favorites that I’ve learned a lot from.

“Interview: John Mearsheimer Dismantles Israel’s Reckless Campaign in Gaza.” (26 min)

Glenn Greenwald. Apr 3, 2024

https://youtu.be/2F3owyErgFs?si=nTQJoPdduSPXlPYE

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The Israeli government has, on multiple occasions, accepted a two-state solution which has been rejected by the Arabs. The first was in the UN resolution of 1947 which the Israelis accepted until five Arab countries invaded. More recently, the Israelis accepted the two-state solution brokered by Clinton to which the Palestinians responded by launching the Second (violent) Intifada. Current polling data indicate a majority of Palestinians oppose such a solution. Not surprisingly, the Israelis are sick of this and have turned against it too, especially after 10/7.

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Stopped listening to Tucker. Like most so called journalists of today he only presents the side he wants to represent.

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I saw norhing sad as to "what is happening to Tucker. What saddens me are those who continue to parrot the same zionist rhetoric I have heard for years and some people's inability to get out of the Ziionist cult no matter how horrified many Jews themselves - like Daniel and Aaron Matte and Ilan Pappe who all suffered loses during the Holocaust have to say. People are allowed to think as they will - as we Christians like to say, the judgment belongs to God.

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Do you think Jews should be allowed to have a nation?

If so, you are a Zionist.

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Those Jews would be helping Nazis during the Holocaust.

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It's sad how many Americans still echo the same Patriot rhetoric and are unable to get out of no matter what. Even some Americans themselves, like Howard Zinn, Nikole Hannah Jones, Barack Obama, have been willing to focus on the rot at the center of America....

(Yes, I am being sarcastic)

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When I listened to Shoah survivor Gabor Mate, he seemed like a deep thinker, a very ethically oriented man. His point of departure was that a genocide against Jews did not justify oppression of the Palestinians, starvation as a weapon of war, etc.

I take the same ethical attitude when Islamists oppress Christians. I don't know his views in detail, but after listening to him briefly I found Dr Gabor to be a man who makes a good impression. I will be speaking in almost glowing terms about the Jewish community when Dr Gabor is representative it as a whole.

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Dorothy the mates are the worst type of self-hating Jews and there’s nothing new nor special about them. Literally ALL Jews alive today lost family in the holocaust. Every single one. The only thing special about them is how much they hate their own people. Perhaps you don’t know that 95 percent of Jews are Zionists. You know why? It’s embedded it every single aspect of Judaism. You know how Muslims pray in the direction of Mecca? Jews pray in the direction of Jerusalem. Please look up the definition of the word “token,” because you may need a refresher.

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Bethlehem is not in Israel.

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Where is it?

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Palestinian Authority

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Does it occur to Tucker or anyone else that this pastor must say what he does to survive?

This is quoted from Khaled Abu Toameh published in Gatestone Institute on October 31, 2022: "Another disturbing situation is that the leaders of the Christian community in the West Bank are reluctant to hold the Palestinian Authority and their Muslim neighbors responsible for the attacks. They are afraid of retribution and prefer to toe the official line of holding Israel solely responsible for the misery of the Christian minority."

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Something is off Christians allowed in Palestine? I listen to Amir a Christian in Israel and I have a hard time being this so called Palestinian Christian. Muslims lie so I wouldn’t put it past this person pretending to be a Christian to bad mouth Israel. I also listen to the founder of Hamas’s son who is Christian and works with Israel.

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Exactly. That Catholic priest looked like a Muslim to me too. I stand with Israel’s right to carpet bomb every Catholic Church in Gaza until they feel secure.

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Obviously you didn’t listen to the interview because he was not a Catholic priest but a Lutheran pastor.

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While Palestine does have a very old Christian community, they aren't Lutherans (or Catholics for that matter). I don't necessarily expect Tucker to know the intricacies of the internecine warfare among Christians in the Holy Land that go back almost to the time of Christ. But I think he should be more curious and have a follow-up with a different Christian voice. I am not sure that a more representative Christian would be less anti-Jewish than this guy but they would be more obvious about their motivations. Remember that Christians in the Holy Land were cut off from the broader stream of Christian thinking, especially regarding Jews for more than 1000 years.

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“Six months into the war in Gaza, everyone seems to be losing.”

And this was entirely predictable and was predicted by public intellectuals like John Mearsheimer and Glenn Greenwald who were ignored by most of the msm and most of our conservative sites such as Sasha’s site.

“Israel's war in the Gaza Strip has killed more than 33,000 people, most of them women and children, according to the Palestinian enclave’s health ministry. Israel says it has two primary aims: to free the remaining 130 mostly Israeli hostages; and to destroy the Hamas militant group that led the attack on Oct. 7, a goal that critics say is too ambitious or impossible.”

“Meanwhile Israel has become increasingly isolated internationally, with even its closest ally, the United States, demanding that it do more to help protect Palestinian civilians in Gaza, where more than 1 million people are now thought to be on the brink of famine. Israel’s killing of seven aid workers has put that global condemnation into overdrive, with prominent voices in Europe and the U.S. now calling for the suspension of arms sales.”

“There is no victor in this kind of war,” said Yossi Mekelberg, an associate fellow at Chatham House, a London-based think tank. “The situation in Gaza is catastrophic in every sense of the word, and yet Israel is getting more embroiled — in Gaza, but also Iran. Then there’s the hostages: God knows how many of them are still alive. Meanwhile Israel is really pushing itself into becoming a pariah state.”

“Six months into the war in Gaza, everyone seems to be losing.”

Yahoo News. NBCNews. Apr 7, 2024

https://currently.att.yahoo.com/news/six-months-war-gaza-everyone-110022613.html

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Chatham House. Here is your problem.

Chatham House Prize

The Chatham House Prize is an annual award presented to "the person, persons, or organization deemed by members of Chatham House to have made the most significant contribution to the improvement of international relations in the previous year".[10]

List of winners

Chatham House's former Director Robin Niblett (left) with Myanmar opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi

Year Name Country

2005 President Viktor Yushchenko[10] Ukraine

2006 President Joaquim Chissano[10] Mozambique

2007 Sheikha Mozah Al Missned[10] Qatar

2008 President John Kufuor[10] Ghana

2009 President Lula da Silva[11] Brazil

2010 President Abdullah Gül[12] Turkey

2011 Burmese opposition leader Aung San Suu Kyi[13] Myanmar

2012 President Moncef Marzouki and Rached Ghannouchi[10] Tunisia

2013 Secretary of State Hillary Clinton[14] United States

2014 Co-founder of the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation Melinda French Gates[15] United States

2015 Médecins Sans Frontières[16] Switzerland

2016 Minister of Foreign Affairs Mohammad Javad Zarif[17] Iran

Secretary of State John Kerry[17] United States

2017 President Juan Manuel Santos[18] Colombia

2018 Committee to Protect Journalists[19] United States

2019 Sir David Attenborough and Julian Hector[20] United Kingdom

2020 Malawi Constitutional Court Justices Healey Potani, Ivy Kamanga, Redson Kapindu, Dingiswayo Madise and Michael Tembo[21] Malawi

2023 Volodomyr Zelenskyy[22] Ukraine

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Mourn with those who mourn. Blessed are the peacemakers. You cannot be an emissary of Christ with hate and war in your heart. Pray for peace.

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Can’t have peace when there’s so much hate.

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Peace is possible, many were working towards it.

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Alistair Crooke, a former British diplomat, says this is indeed a religious war and the Israelis feel the Old Testament commands them to take the land and kill those who oppose them. It’s still genocide though even if they believe that God is commanding the Israelis to wipe out the Palestinians.

28:46. it's compelled not by literal politics it's compelled by the eschatological the biblical narrative that Israel has to go in and do these things because it is the will of God we have every day we hear rabbis coming on and saying to the Troops I mean senior rabbis come and say to the Troops about the Old Testament and they say this means that you have to kill the children in Gaza you have to kill the children because they will grow up and they will turn into terrorists who will attack us and you have to kill the women because these are the vessels that give birth to these future terrorists and you have to kill all and it is in this is a hierarchic command which is not voluntary which is mandatory on you you are commanded under halakic law to do this.”

“Alistair Crooke: The Resistance to Israel is ready.” (35 min)

Judge Napolitano. Mar 18, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/live/CEPySWJfpls?si=Ru8V2yVRW-feg3Jz

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That’s not true, Seva. It’s fucking bullshit.

There’s no command by God, or anywhere in the Torah to kill people that didn’t exist when it was written. You’ve got it completely ass backwards.

It’s the Quran that says to kill Jews.

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“You’ve got it completely ass backwards“

I’m not Alistair Crooke. I just posted what he said.

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It is one of the oddities of the Quran that the later suras are held to override the earlier ones and the Kill the Jews one was fairly late. Early on, the Arabian Jews (where are they now) were supportive of Mohammed but then turned against him. This is when he promulgated the commandment.

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Israel is one of the most secular countries in the world… so it isn’t religion.

I am not picking a side in this… I think what both sides have done is reprehensible. (Pre-trib Rapture is bad eschatology, too.)

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Israel is severely divided between religious, messianic Jews and secular leftist Jews. Kim Iversen, Glenn Greenwald, John Mearsheimer and others say Netanyahu has never wanted a two state solution. That’s also what this Jewish professor of economics in London says. Why was Israel’s border with Gaza so defenseless on Oct 7 when Hamas launched their deadly attack? Because the troops that were supposed to be guarding the border were redeployed to the West Bank to help Israeli settlers steal land from the Palestinians.

“How could the catastrophe on 7 October, which claimed the lives of at least 1,400 Israelis and has left 220 as hostages of Hamas, have happened? How could Israel lose control, over the course of a few hours, of an entire swath of its sovereign territory, including twenty-two kibbutzim and other villages? Beyond the obvious intelligence failure, one reason is that a good portion of the troops in the enlarged division that was meant to be guarding the Gaza border had been redeployed to keep order and protect an ever-expanding archipelago of tiny, often unauthorized West Bank settlements and roads leading to them. The sole purpose of these outposts was to establish a de facto Jewish presence in the West Bank and hence restrict the actions available to future Israeli governments. Objections and warnings by the defence establishment that the military and security services were overstretched, that the army no longer had the requisite forces or the time to train soldiers properly, were dismissed as the defeatism of an old and tired secular elite, by a growing chorus of hyper-patriotic, right-wing zealots, people often with little or no practical military experience.”

“A Generation of Misguided Policy in Israel.”

For more than a generation, defense policy and much else has been increasingly determined by the dictates of Israel’s religious settler lobby and its Messianic visions.

Quillette. Nov 5, 2023

https://quillette.com/2023/11/05/a-generation-of-misguided-policy-in-israel/

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That and the Israeli IC was busy with the American IC trying to overthrow Netanyahu. Plus there is the disarming of the citizens on the front line. Not clear who is responsible for that.

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Romans 12:9-21... "Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor what is evil. Cling to what is good. 10Be kindly affectionate to one another with brotherly love, in honor giving preference to one another; 11not lagging in diligence, fervent in spirit, serving the Lord; 12rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation, continuing steadfastly in prayer; 13distributing to the needs of the saints, given to hospitality.

14Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse. 15Rejoice with those who rejoice, and weep with those who weep. 16Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.

17Repay no one evil for evil. Have regard for good things in the sight of all men. 18If it is possible, as much as depends on you, live peaceably with all men. 19Beloved, do not avenge yourselves, but rather give place to wrath; for it is written, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” says the Lord. 20Therefore

“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;

If he is thirsty, give him a drink;

For in so doing you will heap coals of fire on his head.”

21Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."

The Apostle Paul's letter to those who claim Christ, living under severe persecution in Rome. I think wise and careful exegesis (not preconceived doctrines) will show what is good and what is not. What is just and what is not.

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